Meeting called to order 8:30 May 3, 2004 Attendance: 00000111000000000000111110000 \ 54321210987654433211221109998 / Month 00001000011112021121101022002 \ 35892136814691740073628413996 / Day aaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp aaa-aaaapaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper aa-aaaaa-a----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa=-a Shalom Bresticker a-aaaaa--a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd ----a------a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa a--a-aaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch --------aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil ---------aaa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom ----------------------aaa-$a- Ted Elkind aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce aaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson aaaa-aaaaa-aa-a---aa-a-aa-$a- Mike McNamara aaaaaaaa--aa-aaaaaaaaaa---*aa Stu Sutherland a-a-aaaaa--a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick --------------------------*aa Elliot Mednick ----a--a-a-------aa---------- Don Mills --------aaaa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence -----a-aa-------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi ---a--a--aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty -----------a----------------- David Smith --aa--aaaa-a----------------- Dennis Brophy -aaaaaaaaaa------------------ Francoise Martinolle -----aaaa-------------------- Drew Lynch ---a---a--------------------- David Roberts ------a---------------------- Ennis Hawk aaaa-a----------------------- Ronald Goodstein -----a----------------------- Keith Gover --aaa------------------------ Jason Woolf a---------------------------- Alec Stanculescu a---------------------------- Steven Dovitch a attended p proxy - absent The chair directed everone's attention to http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE policy is prominent. Review of the minutes of the last ETF meeting (April 5, 2004). Change Shalom's comments to Comments from Shalom's mail. Ron moves that we accept the minutes of the meeting. Charles seconds. No opposed. Shalom, Tom abstain. Passes. Issues: Generate proposal: Jason is sending the Framemaker source to Shalom. Shalom will update the proposal to reflect the changes to date. Shalom is confused by Cliff's example in 12.4.2 where it uses an and gate. He will work on addressing the comment as he updates the proposa, perhaps by changing the and gate into a nand. Shalom believes that he can have the updates to the proposal by the end of the week. If Karen has a proposal by Monday next week, she will open a ballot on the proposal hopefully reaching quorum by Friday next week so we can discuss the proposal in the 1364 meeting. Jason is continuing to work on section 12.2.8 on elaboration as a separate issue. ETF proposals: Issue 16: Shalom will add language to the proposal that indicates that the only lexical token allowed on the line with a 'line directive is white space. Issue 237: Shalom is still working on it. Issue 428: Brad to complete. Issue 541: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Steve seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Issue 551: Steven Sharp moves that we accept the proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Issue 557: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. No second. Steven will look at the issue before the next meeting. Issue 563: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Charles seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Issue 564: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Brad seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Issue 575: 17.6, "Stochastic analysis tasks", In the sentence, "This clause describes a set of system tasks and functions that manage queues and generate random numbers with specific distributions." DELETE the words "and generate random numbers with specific distributions." Also, since $q_full is a function, not a task, there should be no semicolon at the end of the line "$q_full (q_id, status) ;" PROPOSAL: Delete the semicolon at the end of the $q_full line. Steven Sharp moves that we accept this proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. ------------------------------ Open Action Items: (05/03/04) 'line directive Shalom to update the proposal. (11/18/02) generate proposal for 17, 113, 255. Shalom to update current proposal. (12/1/03) 22: There is no concensus to a fix, so we will leave this issue alone until there is one. (12/1/03) 33: Mike MacNamera to make a proposal. (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for issues 82, 84 Group has agreement on some of the more contentious issues. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Shalom 170 formatting of bnf non-terminals (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a significant rewrite. Partially rewritten through the generate proposal. More work will remain after the generate proposal is ready. (11/18/02) 198, 254, 58, 318: Shalom (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and inout. That is covered by issue 54. As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will do that. He has not written this up yet. Shalom suggested that this and 7 other errata be evalutated together. All of the issues are Brad's (filed by him?) He does not want to drive. James will develop a proposal for all of them including 204. 204, 227, 233, 234, 292, 332, 345, 452, 486(?). (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42 Dave Roberts and Shalom to fix the proposal expanding the BNF and creating language to support it. Is waiting on Shalom to do some experiments and come up with a proposal based on the discussion of the 2/8/04 meeting. (7/14/03) 245: Shalom (7/14/03) 247: May be partially covered by generate proposal (10/06/03) 428: Brad and Shalom (3/8/04) 541: Shalom to check the proposal Done. ------------------------------ The meeting adjourned a little after 10:30 Pacific time with Steven Sharp's movement.