Meeting called to order 8:30 March 8, 2004 Attendance: 000111000000000000111110000 \ 321210987654433211221109998 / Month 001000011112021121101022002 \ 892136814691740073628413996 / Day aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp a-aaaapaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper -aaaaa-a----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa=-a Shalom Bresticker aaaaa--a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd --a------a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa -a-aaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch ------aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil -------aaa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom --------------------aaa-$a- Ted Elkind aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson aa-aaaaa-aa-a---aa-a-aa-$a- Mike McNamara aaaaaa--aa-aaaaaaaaaa---*aa Stu Sutherland a-aaaaa--a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick ------------------------*aa Elliot Mednick --a--a-a-------aa---------- Don Mills ------aaaa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence ---a-aa-------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi -a--a--aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty ---------a----------------- David Smith aa--aaaa-a----------------- Dennis Brophy aaaaaaaaa------------------ Francoise Martinolle ---aaaa-------------------- Drew Lynch -a---a--------------------- David Roberts ----a---------------------- Ennis Hawk aa-a----------------------- Ronald Goodstein ---a----------------------- Keith Gover aaa------------------------ Jason Woolf a attended p proxy - absent The chair directed everone's attention to http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE policy is prominent. Review of the minutes of the last ETF meeting (Feb 9, 2004). Shalom notes that the minutes include, after the attendence, the action items, we skipped the review of the open action items in the last meeting, and the open action items were copied from previous minutes. Shalom moves to approve the minutes with above issue noted. Steven Boyd seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. ------------------------------ Open Action Items: (7/14/03) 16: Shalom Proposal is made. (11/18/02) generate proposal for 17, 113, 255. Generate had a new proposal this morning. (12/1/03) 22: There is no concensus to a fix, so we will leave this issue alone until there is one. (12/1/03) 33: Mike MacNamera to make a proposal. (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for issues 82, 84 Group has agreement on some of the more contentious issues. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Shalom 170 formatting of bnf non-terminals (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a significant rewrite. Partially rewritten through the generate proposal. More work will remain after the generate proposal is ready. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Charles 197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility Should add nulls in the white space description in 17.2.4.3a There is a proposal. (11/18/02) 198, 254, 58, 318: Shalom (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and inout. That is covered by issue 54. As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will do that. He has not written this up yet. Shalom suggested that this and 7 other errata be evalutated together. All of the issues are Brad's (filed by him?) He does not want to drive. James will develop a proposal for all of them including 204. 204, 227, 233, 234, 292, 332, 345, 452, 486(?). (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42 Dave Roberts and Shalom to fix the proposal expanding the BNF and creating language to support it. Is waiting on Shalom to do some experiments and come up with a proposal based on the discussion of the 2/8/04 meeting. (7/14/03) 245: Shalom (7/14/03) 247: May be partially covered by generate proposal (10/06/03) 428: Brad and Shalom (3/8/04) 541: Shalom to check the proposal ------------------------------ Issues discussion: 197: Steven moves that we accept the proposal. Charles seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 522: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Stu seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 526: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Steven seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 535: Steven moves that we accept the proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 536: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Steven seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 541: Shalom will check the proposal 544: 15.5, Table 61: Change Table 61 to say that notifier toggles from X to either 1 or 0. Change title of Table 61 to "Notifier value responses to timing violations". Stu moves that we accept the above changes. Shalom seconds. Steven opposes. Dennis, Francoise, Ron, Jason abstain. In favor: Shalom, Brad, Charles, Mike, Stu Passes. 546: Steven moves that accept this proposal. Brad seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 552: Shalom moves that we accept this proposal. Stu seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Generate proposal: A new proposal dropping the issues in section 12.8 was made this morning. We reviewed the new changes. Steven moves that we do an email vote for this proposal ending 3pm PST Friday next week. We need 7 affirmatives for the proposal to pass. Jason seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. The meeting adjourned a little after 10:30 Pacific time with Stu's movement.