Meeting called to order 8:30 January 12, 2004 Attendance: 0111000000000000111110000 \ 1210987654433211221109998 / Month 1000011112021121101022002 \ 2136814691740073628413996 / Day aaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp aaaapaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper aaaa-a----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa=-a Shalom Bresticker aaa--a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd a------a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa -aaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch ----aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil -----aaa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom ------------------aaa-$a- Ted Elkind aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce aaaaaaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson -aaaaa-aa-a---aa-a-aa-$a- Mike McNamara aaaa--aa-aaaaaaaaaa---*aa Stu Sutherland aaaaa--a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick ----------------------*aa Elliot Mednick a--a-a-------aa---------- Don Mills ----aaaa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence -a-aa-------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi --a--aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty -------a----------------- David Smith --aaaa-a----------------- Dennis Brophy aaaaaaa------------------ Francoise Martinolle -aaaa-------------------- Drew Lynch ---a--------------------- David Roberts --a---------------------- Ennis Hawk -a----------------------- Ronald Goodstein (First Shot Logic Simulaton, Inc.) -a----------------------- Keith Gover a------------------------ Jason Woolf a attended p proxy - absent The chair read the IEEE patent policy description, also directed everone's attention to http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a link to the IEEE policy is prominent. Review of the minutes of the last ETF meeting. Cliff attended, so his attendence needs to be noted. Shalom mentioned that the open action items are very out of date. Tom moves that we approve the minutes with the above modifications. Stu seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Open Action Items: (7/14/03) 16: Shalom (11/18/02) generate proposal for 17, 113, 255. We now have a proposal in an advanced stage. (12/1/03) 22: There is no concensus to a fix, so we will leave this issue alone until there is one. (12/1/03) 33: Mike MacNamera to make a proposal. (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for issues 22, 82, 84 Group has agreement on some of the more contentious issues. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Shalom 170 formatting of bnf non-terminals (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a significant rewrite. Partially rewritten through the generate proposal. More work will remain after the generate proposal is ready. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Charles 197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility Should add nulls in the white space description in 17.2.4.3a (11/18/02) 198, 254, 58, 318: Shalom (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and inout. That is covered by issue 54. As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will do that. He has not written this up yet. Shalom suggested that this and 7 other errata be evalutated together. All of the issues are Brad's (filed by him?) He does not want to drive. James will develop a proposal for all of them including 204. 204, 227, 233, 234, 292, 332, 345, 452, 486(?). (7/14/03) 204, 227, 233, 234: James (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42 Dave Roberts and Shalom to fix the proposal expanding the BNF and creating language to support it. Dave Roberts said he'd send something out later today. (7/14/03) 245: Shalom (7/14/03) 247: May be partially covered by generate proposal (10/06/03) 428: Brad and Shalom (11/3/03) Shalom has the action to add an issue for the situation where you need a hierarchical reference that allows an array of scopes. This is a follow on from issue 209. Done. This is issue 500 (11/3/03) Shalom will open an issue on parameters and signing reflecting issues raised in 441. Done. This is issue 499 The group then considered the ETF proposals: We discussed the number of issues that have partial fixes, and recommend that proposal be made for the partial fixes and new issues be opened for remaining more difficult parts. Generate Proposal: We started the review of the proposal, and will rework the proposal based upon the feedback we generated. We will continue discussion, and possibly vote, in the next meeting. Cliff moves to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 10:30.