Minutes from the Errata Task Force Conference Call August 11, 2003 Attendees: 00000000000111110000 \ 87654433211221109998 / Month 11112021121101022002 \ 14691740073628413996 / Day aaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper a----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa=-a Shalom Bresticker a-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd --a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa aaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch aaa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil aaa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom -------------aaa-$a- Ted Elkind aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce aaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson a-aa-a---aa-a-aa-$a- Mike McNamara -aa-aaaaaaaaaa---*aa Stu Sutherland --a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick -----------------*aa Elliot Mednick a-------aa---------- Don Mills aaa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence -------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi aaaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty --a----------------- David Smith a-a----------------- Dennis Brophy aa------------------ Francoise Martinolle Minutes from the 7/14/03 meeting. Shalom moves that we accept the minutes from the 8/11/03 meeting. Anders seconds. No opposed. Cliff abstains. Passes. Action Items: (4/21/03) 9: Gord to determine a location of the proposal in conference with Cliff. (7/14/03) 16: Shalom volunteered to drive. He needs to formulate some wording to improve what is there according to the concensus. Also, he wants to formulate a possible problem and get some reaction before he gets a formal proposal. (11/18/02) Gord and committee to return with a generate proposal for 17, 113, 208, 255. Gord sent an initial draft of a bunch of text. He has received some feedback, and it will take some work to incorporate it. (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for issues 22, 82, 84 To be resolved after generate. (7/14/03) 35 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282), but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule. Shalom agrees that 35 should be marked as closed as covered by 282. (7/14/03) 83 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282), but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule. Shalom suggests that we leave 83 open. It deals with the interaction of real an other operands. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Gord 165 13.11.1, A.2.1.1 -- reuse task_port_type 170 formatting of bnf non-terminals - Shalom sent something one stage before a proposal (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a significant rewrite. (8/11/03) 175: Anders volunteered to drive (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Charles 197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility Some progress this last week. May have a proposal this week. (11/18/02) 198: Shalom Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: 198 sinks should allow only constant part-selects Shalom will make the smaller change to allow port expressions to be what is allowed on the lhs of a continuous assignment. Shalom may get to by the next meeting. (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive He needs input on what the simulators do. There are some complex issues here dealing with port collapsing and inout. That is covered by issue 54. As to the exact issue in 204, how about adding examples indicating that examples 2, 3, 4 are illegal? James will do that. (7/14/03) 206: Shalom volunteered to drive 90% done. Next week? (7/14/03) 209: Shalom volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 211: James volunteered to drive localparams are not available for override. (7/14/03) 225: Anders volunteered to drive proposal exists. (7/14/03) 226: Brad volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 227: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 233: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 234: Anders volunteered to drive (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42 Ted Elkind, Dave Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked them. Charles will check. (7/14/03) 245: Shalom volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 247: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 257: Brad volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 258: Brad volunteered to drive Issue discussion: SV-BC Issues requiring resolution: (ETF issue number: SV-BC issue number) -237: 19-41, 19-42 Ted Elkind, Abe Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked them. -326: Escaped names not clearly defined. Issue sent to sv-ec and forwarded to us. This is a PLI issue number 307. We will keep this item; however, we are waiting for PTF resolution of 307 before we address this issue. (- lack proposals) Issues with Proposals: 9: Gord and Cliff are still working on it. 175: Should be moved back to the open state. Shalom to drive the issue. 192: Shalom moves that we accept this proposal with the modification noting that the separate issue mentioned in section 5 was filed as 395. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 205: James moves that we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 217: The proposal was offered that we could allow parameters only in the module scope. Localparams could be used however. Everyone is going to go think about it. 225: Anders moves that we accept the proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Annex G has a list of defines for VPI direction. No direction ports are null ports. There are a number of places in the standard that discuss port direction, but they do not mention no direction ports. Shalom is wondering if the standard needs to be clearer. For now, we will assume there is no issue. 226: The proposal is to add an example indicating that the parentheses are required. Several simulators accept the code without the parentheses. Straw poll: loosen restriction on bnf? Shalom. Gord. Mac. Proposal as it exists today: Anders. Brad. Abstain. Steven. Cliff. Charles. Kurt. Brad moves that we reject this proposal. Gord seconds. Anders opposes. Cliff, Kurt, Charles, Steve abstains. Passes. Brad takes the action correct the BNF. 237: Charles has not heard back yet. We'll vote next time. 272: How about creating hierarchical_constant expressions rather than moving the BNF to use constant_expressions that does not allow hierarchical reference. Brad moves that we reject this proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 338: Shalom moves we accept this proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 356: Shalom moves we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 361: Shalom moves we accept the proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 379: Shalom moves we close this as a duplicate. Mac seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 402: Steven to investigate the issue. We will revisit the issue next time. Next Meeting is 9/08/03 at 8:30am Pacific.