Minutes from the Errata Task Force Conference Call July 14, 2003 Attendees: 0000000000111110000 \ 7654433211221109998 / Month 1112021121101022002 \ 4691740073628413996 / Day aaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Steven Sharp aaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*aa Karen Pieper ----a--aa-aa--a-$aa Cliff Cummings aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa=-a Shalom Bresticker -aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Stefen Boyd -a--aaaaaaaaaaaa*aa Dennis Marsa aa-aaaaa-aaa-aaa$aa James Markevitch aa-aa-a-aaaaaaa-=-a Gordon Vreugdenhil aa--aaa-aa-aaaaa$aa Anders Nordstrom ------------aaa-$a- Ted Elkind aaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a*a- Brad Pierce aaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa*a- Charles Dawson -aa-a---aa-a-aa-$a- Mike McNamara aa-aaaaaaaaaa---*aa Stu Sutherland -a--------------*a- Tom Fitzpatrick ----------------*aa Elliot Mednick -------aa---------- Don Mills aa-----a----------- Jay Lawrence ------a------------ Mehdi Mohtashemi aaa--aa------------ Kurt Baty -a----------------- David Smith -a----------------- Dennis Brophy a------------------ Francoise Martinolle Minutes from the 6/16/03 meeting. Anders moves that we accept the minutes. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Action Items: Kurt will edit 140 to reflect his proposal. x ** -y is equal to 1/(x ** y) with integers. Are there objections to this proposal? Steven prefers this. Done. Kurt moves that we move to accept the proposal for 140. James seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. Discussion on what to do with open issues. Karen will equally divide the open issues and randomly assign them to members of the committee. Each member will select one or more of their randomly assigned issues to drive (not necassarily make) to a proposal. Steven: 3, 6, 9, 16, 17, 22, 33, 35, 37 Cliff has submitted a proposal for 9 Shalom: 16 Gord: 17(generate) Steven: 22(@*) 35 was closed, and incorporated into 282. Karen: 47, 48, 54, 57, 72, 73, 80, 81, 82 Karen made a proposal for 47 Steven: 82(@*) Shalom: 83, 84, 88, 90, 96, 98, 99, 100, 105 Shalom will take 88, 90, 98, 99, 100, 105, 13 83 was closed, and incorporated into 282. Steven: 84(@*) 96 was closed, and incorporated into 282. Stefen: 106, 107, 108, 110, 111, 113, 117, 119, 135 Stefen has not been in the office in the last 2 weeks Did Cliff take 106 together with 9? Gord: 113(generate) Steven: 117 119 was passed by etf. Dennis: 139, 165, 170, 172, 190, 192, 197, 198, 203 Dennis: 139, 190, 192 Steven: 172 Shalom: 198 James: 204, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 215 James: 204, 205, 210, 211 Shalom: 206, 209 Gord: 208(generate) Configs: 212 215 is mixed with 282 Anders: 217, 225, 226, 227, 233, 234, 235, 245, 247 Anders proposed for 235 He'll start with 217 and work his way forward Shalom: 245 Brad: 248, 250, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 261, 265 Brad: 250 (propose we close it), 255, 257, 258, 261 254 should include 319 Charles:270, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 282, 283 Charles: 270, 275, 277 Reals: 273, 274 BNF: 276 Stu: 285, 288, 290, 291, 292, 295, 296, 302, 308 Stu hasn't had a chance to look PTF: 296 Stu didn't realize he had some. With the exception of Stu's list, at least one item has been approved on everyone's list. So I'm going to stop tracking the above lists. We can revisit a new assignment in the next meeting. (4/21/03) 9: Gord to determine a location of the proposal in conference with Cliff. (1/13/03) 13: Shalom to update proposal to 13 reflecting Shalom's requests. Done (7/14/03) 16: Shalom volunteered to drive (11/18/02) Gord and committee to return with a generate proposal for 17, 113, 208. (7/14/03) Not much difference since last time. Steven: if we are not making the labels mandatory, then we may want to make them optional on for loops as well. The group seems to like that idea. Kurt: Can generated names be predictable? It would be nice. Formal Verification, VCD comparison in simulation competitive situations, etc. Gord: We probably won't have a proposal by the 8/11 meeting, but we'll try to have some preliminary wording. (11/18/02) Steven and committee to return with an @* proposal for issues 22, 82, 84 To be resolved after power and generate. (7/14/03) 35 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282), but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule. (7/14/03) 83 is noted in the minutes as closed (subsumed by 282), but not marked so in the database. Shalom to rule. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Steven 117 19.1,19.6,19.9: `unconnected_drive and `celldefine Steven to propose wording documenting XL's implementation for both pairings. DONE. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Gord 165 13.11.1, A.2.1.1 -- reuse task_port_type 170 formatting of bnf non-terminals - Shalom sent something one stage before a proposal (11/4/02) Steven will proposing a wording to fix 172. It will be a significant rewrite. (11/18/02) Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: Charles 197 sscanf/"string" incompatibility (11/18/02) 198: Shalom Evaluating TBD Errata. The tasks are: 198 sinks should allow only constant part-selects Shalom will make the smaller change to allow port expressions to be what is allowed on the lhs of a continuous assignment. (7/14/03) 204: James volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 206: Shalom volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 209: Shalom volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 211: James volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 225: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 227: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 233: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 234: Anders volunteered to drive (2/10/03) Issue 237: SV-BC19-41, SV-BC19-42 Ted Elkind, Dave Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked them. Charles will check. (7/14/03) 245: Shalom volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 247: Anders volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 255: Brad volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 257: Brad volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 258: Brad volunteered to drive (7/14/03) 261: Brad volunteered to drive Issue discussion: SV-BC Issues requiring resolution: (ETF issue number: SV-BC issue number) -237: 19-41, 19-42 Ted Elkind, Abe Roberts to look at it. Charles has asked them. -326: Escaped names not clearly defined. Issue sent to sv-ec and forwarded to us. This is a PLI issue number 307. We will keep this item; however, we are waiting for PTF resolution of 307 before we address this issue. (- lack proposals) Issues with Proposals: 240: (From the action item section) Kurt will edit 140 to reflect his proposal. x ** -y is equal to 1/(x ** y) with integers. Are there objections to this proposal? Steven prefers this. Done. Kurt moves that we move to accept the updated proposal for 140. James seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 6: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 9: 9 is waiting for a revised proposal 13: Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Steven seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 93: Gord: With the pstring assignment, that sets test%d into the right hand side leaving the leading chars as null. There is an assumption in the example that leading nulls will be ignored. We can either fix the example to not demonstrate the issue, or we can develop language. Gord volunteers to open a new issue. We will go ahead and vote on this one. We will not add the new issue to 197. Shalom moves that we accept the updated proposal. STu seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 117: Steven moves that we accept the updated proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 139: It seems reasonable to limit macros to simple identifiers both as arguments and macro names. Escaped names are mainly for use for handling generated netlist names. Shalom moves that we accept the proposal. Brad seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Passes. 175: What characters can appear in files without quotations? Steven will ask folks who have implemented it what worked for them. What about the directory separator character on the windows system? Steven will ask for this issue as well. 190: Closed with Anders concent. 192: Shalom to update the proposal to reflect his concerns 210: Steven moves we close the issue. Brad seconds. No opposed. Shalom abstains. Passes. Next Meeting is 7/28/03 at 8:30am Pacific, in concert with the IEEE 1364 VSG.