Meeting called to order 8:30 May 17th, 2004
Administrivia:
>>> Next meeting is June 14th at 8:30 Pacific Time, same number. <<<
>>> There will be a Birds of a Feather at DAC, details later. <<<
Meetings occur every fourth Monday thereafter.
Web site is http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html
Standing agenda is at http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog-Agenda.html
Patent Policy is at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt
Attendance:
Today DASC member (D yes, - no)
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A aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa D Michael McNamara
A aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aa D Steven Sharp
A aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aa D Karen Pieper
A aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaa- D Shalom Bresticker
A aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa-a- D Charles Dawson
A aaaaaaaaaaa D Francoise Martinolle
A aaaaaa-aaa-aaaa------- D Kurt Baty
A aaaa-a-aa D Keith Gover
A aaaa--aaaa------a--aa- D Tom Fitzpatrick
A aaa-aaaaaaaaaaaa----aa D Brad Pierce
A aaa-a D Ronald Goodstein
A aaa--aaaaa D Alec Stanclulesco
A aa-aaaaa-aa-aaaaaaaaaa D James A. Markevitch
A aa--aaa-----aa-a---aaa D Clifford E. Cummings
a-aa-aaaa D Ennis Hawk
A a-aa-aa-aaa D Dennis Brophy
A a-a-aa----a D Steven Dovich
A a--aaaaa-aa----------- D Drew Lynch
A -aaaaaaa-a---aaaaa-aa- D Stuart Sutherland
A -a-aaaa D Richard Ho (rep Curt Widdoes)
A --aaaaa--aa-a-aaaaaaa- D Stefen Boyd
--a------------------ - Yogesh Goel
---a---a--a D Karen Bartleson
----aaaa-----a------- D Mehdi Mohtashemi
----a---a--a--------- - Krishna Garlapati
------a--aa-aaaaaaaaaa D Anders Nordstrom
------a D Atsushi
-------aa D Don Mills
--------aaa D Jay Lawrence
--------a-aaaaaaaaa-aa D Gordon Vreugdenhil
--------a D David Smith
--------a D Chong Guan Tan
------------aaaaaaaaaa - Dennis Marsa
--------------------aa - Erich Marchner
---------------------a D Peter Flake
R-------a D Dave Rich
1) The Chair read the IEEE patent policy presentation,
and refers all to http://www.verilog.com/IEEEVerilog.html where a
link to the IEEE policy is prominent.
2) Minutes of the previous meeting:
Shalom proposed to amend the minutes as follows:
CHANGE
"After some discussion, Issue 538 was approved."
TO
"After some discussion, the VSG approved the BTF's recommendation to
reject and close issue 538 with no change to the standard."
Motion was approved unanimously.
Steve sharp moved and Charles seconds approving the minutes as
amended; None opposed; None abstain. Minutes approved.
3) Report of Working Group Editor: Draft is up to date with all approved
changes, including new numbering style of tables & figures.
Currently investigating how to do indexing, plan to publish
guidelines enabling us to do better indexing in the future.
4) Kurt Baty had suggested at the last meeting the desirability to
host a Bird of Feather event at DAC. The chair solicited an update
on who plans to attend DAC; the following members responded in the
affirmative: Kurt M-W, Alec, Keith, Mac, Dennis, Tom, Ron, Cliff
S-Th, Stu S-Th. The Chair took the action item to arrange a Bird of
Feather event at DAC.
5) The DASC incorporated our modifications of the Model operating
procedures into a red lined document, which was circulated in
April. Kurt moved to approve this, Shalom seconds. Votes are:
+---- Vote cast
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A D Steven Sharp
Y D Karen Pieper
Y D Shalom Bresticker
Y D Charles Dawson
Y D Francoise Martinolle
Y D Kurt Baty
Y D Keith Gover
A D Tom Fitzpatrick
A D Brad Pierce
Y D Ronald Goodstein
Y D Alec Stanclulesco
Y D James A. Markevitch
Y D Clifford E. Cummings
Y D Dennis Brophy
Y D Steven Dovich
Y D Drew Lynch
Y D Stuart Sutherland
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A D Michael McNamara Chair abstains as vote carried in any case
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Drew Lynch did not meet the attendance requirements for his vote to be
counted, although it is still recorded.
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Motion passed
6) Report of Kurt Baty, Returns Officer, on the Election: we have
nominees for all positions, and each have accepted their
nomination. Next steps - Checking is underway for valid IEEE
membership of each candidate. We have a pair of candidates for
Chair & Vice Chair; and one candidate for Secretary. Kurt asks that
the candidates submit position statements of no more that a half a
page. Election will close on May 29th.
Kurt moved as follows: The interpretation for the election be based
on the minutes taken today, if a member has attended two out of the
previous three meetings, they are eligible to vote. The voting
roster for the election shall be determined at the close of this
meeting based on meeting attendance. Cliff seconds. Opposed: none
Abstain: none. Motion passes unanimously.
Kurt asks that all respond to his call for vote, even if casting no
vote. Ballots will be sent out as soon as IEEE membership
confirmation is received. Candidates are:
Chair : Michael McNamara, Karen Pieper
Vice: Alec Stanclulesco, Tom Fitzpatrick
Secretary: Keith Gover
7) Accellera sent to the Chair of 1364 and to the Chairman of DASC the
following letter:
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Dear Peter & Michael,
I am contacting you to plan a meeting between Accellera, 1364 and DASC
before the end of May 2004. We would like to understand the 1364 and
DASC process before we make a final decision on how we move forward to
standardize SystemVerilog in the IEEE.
Last week, the Accellera board met and approved its SystemVerilog 3.1a
specification. Accellera also authorized initiation of an engagement
with the IEEE-SA Corporate Advisory Group (CAG) to facilitate transfer
and standardization of SystemVerilog 3.1a through their process.
The Accellera board will make a final decision on transfer by the end
of May 2004. Accordingly, it is necessary to meet with you before the
end of the month. Please let me know if you can accommodate this
request and if so, what dates you would have open to meet.
Best regards,
Dennis Brophy
Chairman, Accellera
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After some discussion of the group, centered mostly around attempting
to guess what Accellera would like and how their desire might fit with
the needs of the world, the group came to a consensus of authorizing
the Chair to present to Accellera a menu of choices.
It is important to note that the working group does not equally favor
the various courses, but in an attempt to make forward progress the
following motion was by Kurt made, and by Stuart seconded:
The 1364 Chairman is directed to offer to Accellera a menu of choices,
first investigating feasibility of each within the rules of the IEEE,
as follows:
1) The IEEE 1364 Working Group would create an IEEE 1364 Trial
Use Standard based solely upon the System Verilog 3.1a extension
document. Based on experience of members of the committee, assuming
we begin balloting right away, it would require six months to
complete the IEEE balloting process and obtain an official IEEE
Trial Use Standard status.
2) The IEEE-1364 Working Group would immediately combine System
Verilog into the current IEEE-1364 draft, and make that draft
available to the world as an official release of the Working Group
Estimate is this would require six months.
3) The IEEE 1364 Working Group would perform items 1 and 2 in
parallel.
4) The IEEE 1364 Working Group would begin work to merge current draft
of document with errata + system Verilog and take that to ballot;
[one year, plus six months to ballot, minimum] while
simultaneously opening a sub par to support further concurrent
development of the standard targeted for a later release date.
[Brad does not like this]
5) The IEEE 1364 group, for any of these efforts shall consider forming
sub "dot" pars for faster parallel standardization; for example
combining all PLI from System Verilog & IEEE-1364 into a single
document, with a 1364.2 type PAR number
In all cases Accellera is petitioned to donate System Verilog 3.1a to
IEEE 1364 for the eventual long term merging of all of the extensions
into the 1364 work.
+---- Vote cast
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Y D Steven Sharp
A D Karen Pieper
Y D Shalom Bresticker
Y D Charles Dawson
Y D Francoise Martinolle
Y D Kurt Baty
Y D Keith Gover
Y D Tom Fitzpatrick
Y D Brad Pierce
Y D Ronald Goodstein
Y D Alec Stanclulesco
Y D James A. Markevitch
Y D Clifford E. Cummings
A D Ennis Hawk
Y D Dennis Brophy
Y D Steven Dovich
A D Drew Lynch
Y D Stuart Sutherland
A D Richard Ho (rep Curt Widdoes)
Y D Stefen Boyd
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A D Michael McNamara Chair abstains as vote carried in any case
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Neither Drew Lynch nor Richard Ho met the attendance requirements for
their vote to be counted, although it is still recorded.
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At 10:57 meeting adjourned.
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